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Boards. Music Social More Do you think Brian Gordon was being racist when he went to a fancy dress party dressed as Nelson Mandela? blacked up and wore then put on a rasta hat and went to speak to some black french men at a market. that was pretty funny.

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Look em up - Archer, Linford Christie, there's plenty of examples. They sue paper, jury finds paper guilty, they win millions in compensation and are all over the national press saying how papers lie, then three months down the line they're found out. No money back for the papers. And you'd be amazed at the number of absolutely GOLDEN stories we know about at papers, but we can't print them because there isn't enough evidence. For all the evidence that goes into a story, you can be sure there's plenty more the paper has to cover their own backs if they get sued..

One of my friends had her life temporarily ruined by hype after it was revealed in the Times that an advance she'd been paid for her novel was K. In the end it was discovered that it was nowhere near that. It wasn't the Times. It was her agent, who gave the Times the misleading information. In January, I was sent to Liverpool to cover the story of the girl who was mauled to death by the family dog.

I tried for three days and all I got was doors slammed in my face by people who said all we do is make stuff up, we'd only twist their words etc. The only people who WOULD talk to journalists were the people who hated the dogs owner - those who'd been screwed over by him in the past over drugs deals etc.

Then, by the end of the week, the family and friends were complaining that all we journalists were reporting was how he was a drug dealer and a criminal But in Iran at the moment that captured women was told she HAD to wear a veil. We don't tell people in this country that they can't wear a veil. I find the whole thing very strage. Should our girls go to countries where the veil is expected or it's a legal requirement and start parading around in short skirts or bikinis in the summer because 'that's our culture?

Or get there hand chopped off. Here, they get a house. But the problem comes when, for instance, a woman is asked to remove her veil because she's teaching a class of children, and she cries racism. It's like a balaclava - it's not illegal, you can wear it if you want, but you wouldn't be that surprised or upset if a bank asked you to remove it before going inside.. Why can't our women go out in their countries and wear low cut tops, lots of make up and look generally slutty without being locked up and hung.

I can't see why a woman walking down the street in a veil is inherently offensive to 'britishness' but a woman walking down the street in 'their countries' would be on a par with walking down the street naked in the UK. Which is the same reason why veil wearing women should be willing to take them off sometimes. I personally think it's probably borderline racist to dress up as Nelson Mandela. It's their job to not do things like this which are controversial just for the sake of it.

Just as Prince Harry wasn't racist or antyhing to dress as a Nazi soldier but was certainly ill-advised given his background and standing. So my point is that I don't for a moment think blackboard or baa baa black sheep are racist and nor probably do many people. We know full well there are too many over-cautious busybodies out there. But that shouldn't be compared with a politician or whoever blacking up for fancy dress party in my view. This MP dressed as a man who's widely seen as one of the most important ant-apartheid figures in the world..

But surely you can see that being a Nazi is in far worse taste than being a man who's considered to be an international figurehead for peace and integration? He was only a 'Nazi' in the sense that all German soldiers in that war were members of the Nazi party. Obviously any given soldier might well have committed atrocities but in the main your averge German soldier would have been no different morally to a Tommy.

But it's also central to my point. If you wore the same outfit to a fancy dress party I think everyone would know you were essentially dressing as German soldier from WWII.

There's no suggestion you're glorifying Hitler, etc. It's the position that Harry's in that makes his choice so important. The same goes here: You might well black up for a party and it wouldn't be racist but if people saw you they might get the wrong impression and if you're in the media then it all gets magnified by It probably comes down to this: Possibly yes, depending on the reason and the circumstances.

It really comes down to what you would personally do amongst strangers: I wouldn't black up, so I consider it to be a dubious choice. See, I DID go out in public blacked up - it was a pub crawl - and everybody thought it was funny. That includes the black people I saw along the way. I wouldn't feel comfortable going out dressed as a Nazi in public - although amongst friends who realise it's a joke it'd be a different story.

It is a famous people who died young themed thing. Another friend suggested wearing a Man Utd top with "Holly" on the back. Then my other mate, had a "big brown birthday party" for his 21st. He's indian and got everyone else to brown up for a party. It was his freaking idea so how can it be racist?

The fact that in the incredibly small number of people on DiS, about five people have already said they've blacked up for a fancy dress party before, is it not actually quite common, rather than 'try-hard and outrageous?

Or are you one of these people who go to fancy dress parties and makes the minimum effort, then takes the piss out of everyone else who's entered into the spirit of things? Which sounds like the sort of thing goth girls used to wear at school when i was I used really cheap crappy spray-on dye, so when I was in the club that night it all ran over my face. I had to explain for about half an hour to a black guy in the toilets that I wasn't being racist. But then I went and called him 'brother' as a joke and he got angry: I guess as long as there's some humour behind it other than "Look isn't it funny because I'm a different colour" then I wouldn't classify it as racist.

I may be wrong, but that's how I understood it - that the jokes were the racist thing, not necessarily the fact that they blacked up to do it..? All we are arguing over here is the issue of cultures and the extent to which they are or are not permissive. Iran is not a permissive place. They have laws relating to what you can and cannot wear and anyone who goes there abides by those laws.

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